Can't wear the mask

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Even though I wore the darned thing for four whole hours on the sleepover test night, I have barely worn it since it came home with me. I know I have a really neat machine. That's not the problem and have a really neat, unobtrusive mask thingy with nothing strapped to my face or under my chin or nada like that, It is the smallest one you can get. I just cannot bring myself to use it..

I am pretty sure of why. Two reasons actually. One is that I am a night owl. I stay up quite late (early?) and by the time I hit the sack, I look at the thing and just say, "I'm too tired to mess with it". Of course, the underlying reason is deeper than that, really. I have had a lot of surgeries for bone cancer since I was a sweet young thing. The last decade or more, whenever I have had to go in for surgery, my aversion to anesthetic mask has been so anxiety producing that apparently I fight them off, even when I am out, or on my way out, I guess. So one of those wisdom anesthesiologists told me to ask to be put under by IV first before putting the mask on me. And I have done that ever since. But, I certainly cant do that for a CPAP issue!

Anyhow.... So, I figure this may have something to do with it. I have had my CPAP for about 4 months and have only put it on a few times, wore it for short periods trying to acclimate myself, and only one time fell asleep with it and tore it off with a feeling of dread. I think the air pressure had increased about that time. I called and asked if the air could be reduced, but the say it is the lowest it can go.

Haven't been able to make myself use it since.

I know I need to use it. I know I would feel a heck of a lot better, if I did. I really want to get over this.

Has anyone else had this much of a problem with it? Has anyone succeeded in overcoming this issue?

Thanks for any suggestions.
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  • Re: Can't wear the mask

    Mon, January 14, 2008 - 10:35 AM
    Dear Elizabeth,

    I am not a doctor or a psychologist or have any kind of medical training. Now that I've made that disclaimer (LOL) I do have a couple of thoughts. It seems that your past medical history may definitely be a factor as to why you are having such a hard time adjusting to your mask. My suggestion would be to speak to the doctor who actually prescribed you your machine and mask or your primary care doctor and tell them about your past history and why you feel the way you do. It may be as simple as getting an anti-anxiety prescription to take at night before bed that would greatly reduce or hopefully eliminate the panick attack you feel with your mask on.

    Like I said, I'm no doctor. This is just my opinion.

    I commend you for wanting to use your CPAP because you know it will help you feel better in the long run. Your desire to make it work for you is a great thing and that in itself will go a long way in finding a solution.

    Please keep in touch and let us know how you're doing. I wish you the very best!
    Leah
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      Re: Can't wear the mask

      Sat, January 19, 2008 - 3:54 AM
      Thanks for the suggestion, but the pillows for some reason burn my nose.

      Thanks Leah, for responding. You have great suggestions. I did tell the doctor who ordered the CPAP all about my surgeries and issues during my second visit reporting to him I couldn't wear it.

      My primary doctor (an Oncologist) knows all about my med history. She isn't involved with the sleep doctor. Though I know she would talk to him if I asked her. I also see a shrink who has ordered my meds to help with anxiety issues. I do take the meds to help me sleep. But, just can't bring myself to wear the darn thing. I mean, I cannot bring myself to put it on, or try it out. It sits on the shelf right now as I ignore it, like I do every night. I have a bunch of excuses lined up, too. Sinus problems, allergies, asthma a bad cold recently. They all help deter me from facing the issue.

      I just wish there were some other way!

      Thanks for your taking an interest, and suggestions.
  • Re: Can't wear the mask

    Mon, January 14, 2008 - 5:31 PM
    HI Elizabeth,

    I am sorry you are having trouble with this. I am just a little claustrophobic and it's hard for me to wear the mask some nights so I can imagine the feelings you are having. Do you have the nasal pillows? I hear they are pretty cool. Also, I don't know if you are into such things but how about hypnosis for this specific thing? I did hypnosis when I quit smoking. That coupled with Zyban did the trick. Seems to help with old triggers and such and lowering anxiety connected to old triggers like you may have.
    One thing I did to get used to the mask was this (okay I know it sounds stupid but it helped some): I left the hose off of it and wore it when I wasn't going to sleep just so I could get used to it without feeling like I was being smothered. I put it one when I was going to watch TV or something pleasant so I wouldn't get so anxious and wide awake each time I put it on. It seemed to help with my claustrophobia. I realize that it doesn't feel the same without the hose as it does with the air pressure but for me it helped with the anxiety.

    There's also a web forum where there are lots of people who may have similar issues if we can't help you here. It's www.cpaptalk.com.

    I hope you find a way to make things work. Please let us know how things turn out for you and what you try.

    Pam
    • Re: Can't wear the mask

      Thu, January 17, 2008 - 6:15 AM
      I second the nasal pillows

      that is what I use..and I am satisfied..well the best I can...having to sleep with this beast

      but after a year now..I pretty much have settled into it

      Elizabeth..it took me 6 months to be able to make it thru most the night

      I still yank it off...in the early morning hours..

      but my doctor said.. at leastttttttttttt... 4hours a night.. and I think I usually wear it ..up to 6

      keep trying... it takes time...to get use to it

      another thing..is ..if you have a heater... try filling it during the day..so you do not have to fuss with it at night...

      keep going....really the postive thing I have noticed is..I SLEEP SO MUCH SOUNDER

      and with all my bladder and body pain...I do not wake as much..because I am sleeping deeper
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        Re: Can't wear the mask

        Sat, January 19, 2008 - 4:02 AM
        Heron,

        Oops, I put the pillow comment into Leah's reply. My nose burns right away when I try them. I wonder what they are made of.

        I have a very small mask that attaches to a tube that comes down from over my head with a nice little "hat" attached and a single band that fits around the back of my head. That was all very comfortable when I did the sleep test with it on. And I don't have issues with putting it on my head, just putting it over my nose with the air rushing in, which seems like major hurricane force! Have spoken to them about it, and been told that it is at the "lowest" it can go. Number 4, whatever that is. And it is not adjustable to start out mildly and increase later. Grrr.

        The longest I was able to sleep was four hours, too. But not sounder at all, and no dreams. I do have a heater in mine. Not too crazy about keeping it too warm. Since it is adjustable, just a little seems tolerable, when I have tried it.

        Thanks for your comments and sharing with me your experiences.
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      Re: Can't wear the mask

      Sat, January 19, 2008 - 4:12 AM
      Hi Bootlegg (Pam?)

      It's odd about this mask attack thing. I can handle my ENT shoving an instrument up my nose and down my throat, yet can't tolerate using the mask... A dichotomy, I'm sure and probably doesn't make sense to medical professionals.

      I would love to try Hypnosis. Not sure if my insurance would cover it. I wouldn't be able to pay for it myself.

      That sounds like a good idea about wearing the thing without the hose when doing ordinary things. I will try that

      During pleasurable things? I don't know, sounds a little kinky. Ha Ha. Hmmm...

      Um.. I just noticed you wrote, "pleasant". I guess my mind translated that incorrectly.

      I have occasionally put it on while working on computer, with hose and CPAP functioning. But, soon it was off again. Couldn't focus, or ignore it.

      Thanks for the link and the ideas.


      • Re: Can't wear the mask

        Sat, January 19, 2008 - 12:20 PM
        Wearing the mask during kinky things....See, ya knew you came to the right place! ha
        We will help you over your phobia one way or another :)

        I really wish that:

        1) Instead of our docs just precribing a mask for us that they think we oughta wear they would let us try a bunch on until we found one WE liked.
        and

        2) There was a take back policy on masks that just don't work for us since we don't get a new one for so long. I didn't even know I had any choice until I started talking to people on CPAP forum.

        Pam
        Climbing offa her soap box for today
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          Re: Can't wear the mask

          Mon, January 21, 2008 - 3:34 PM
          I guess I lucked out.

          When I had my sleepover test... the one where you actually wear the mask... I got to try on a few. They were wrapped and new. Don't know what they did with them after I put them on my face. EW! What do they do with those?

          That's how I learned that I get the burning sensation (am I allergic?) to the nose pillow mask.

          Really, I have one that I like. It is tiny, just fits over my nose. It's not bulky like the huge apparatus my BF wears. I'm such a wuss. I know I have it easy compared to others. I guess someone would have to stand over me and threaten, or bribe me to make me put it on!

          That's it! But, Mom isn't here any longer. Oh well.

          But, I did put the hat thing on my head a couple times last week (without the mask) attached and just kept it there for a while. So, I suppose I could give myself credit for that.

          Thanks for your support.
  • mc
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    Re: Can't wear the mask

    Mon, January 21, 2008 - 4:27 PM
    Hey Elizabeth...

    Sorry for the late post - and welcome to our tribe. I have become increasingly busy and was not able to invest in a decent reply. I am not a doctor either. And I know the situation is really quite personal and unique to each person so I will just share what have done to overcome the compliance barrier.

    Firstly, it took me 3 years to comply with my mask. So, the first thing I would like to encourage you to do is not give up. It is completely unnatural to try and sleep with something tightly strapped to you face so I am usually surprise not at people who have problems adjusting but people who get acclimated quickly - and there are those who acclimate quite well (that is awesome and I am incredibly envious of that!)

    Moving on to more of my own personal experiences:

    Some issues that complicated my use of the BiPap were:

    1) I had lingering, serious insomnia issues after my bout with clinical depression a few years back. I was not getting to bed until 4:00am or later and I had trouble staying asleep. The BiPap mad things even more complicated as it is quite uncomfortable (especially when trying to get used to it enough to comply with the prescribed regimen).
    2)I am moderately claustrophobic and at first, I could not handle anything strapped to my face. I would tear it off in angry frustration. Then, when I finally started to try and use it regularly, I would wake up and find it tossed off the bed with my BiPap still churning out air. It got to where this was a regular issue - waking up with the mask tossed. This was after the fact that I finally began to comply after three years. So, I was still quite frustrated.

    I really wish I could sedate myself but anything narcotic and a depressant makes apnea worse and I have personally found the few odd times I actually filled out a prescription for anything opiate based (or the like) I started to like my pills and promptly tossed the remainders. Alcohol is also a bad thing for apnea.

    I was also interested in the non-narcotic sleep aids such as lunesta, ambien, etc...But they still cause their own type of dependency and if you do not invest a full 7-8 hours you can be a wreck until that passes. I also did not like the list of side-effects so I opted out of that.

    Finally, after 3-4 months of research I opted to try medical cannabis. I know this is not for everyone and I am not trying to push its use or use this tribe as a political sounding board here. Just sharing my experiences. Anyway - it is not physically addictive, the side-effects were either desirable or seemed far less negative than the other synthetic sleep meds, and it generally does not produce hangovers. So, I gave it a go - I became California legal and it has helped alot. Firstly, being under the influence of cannabis helped me weather that first unbearable phase of putting on one's mask every night. Combined with my iPod, I would just chill out and get accustomed to mask more easily. Secondly, the cannabis also makes me feel very sleepy about 1-1.5 hours into a session. This allowed me to sleep more when I felt like sleeping. Thirdly, the cannabis - once I got sleepy and feel asleep - helped me to stay asleep longer. So, I am not sleeping a solid 4-6 hours uninterrupted (for the most part). People react differently to cannabis so I am not assuming it will work for everyone.

    That is where I am at now. Recently, they introduced another non-narcotic sleep aid called Rozerem which is supposed to NOT cause dependency and have mellower side effects. So, my friend who is a doctor is mailing me samples to try out - I will report on that because if it works, I might be able to stay asleep longer.

    Some other practical thing I discovered that help me sleep with my mask:
    - I keep clean soft, cotton cloths and rubbing alcohol nearby. Often, when I do wake up in the middle of the night, my mask does not seal so nicely around my face because of skin oils that have accumulated. So, a quick wipe down with a bit of alcohol seems to bring the nice tackiness back. Sometimes, when I get to bed earlier, I might wake up after 4 hours, wipe the mask down, and get 2-4 hours more sleep.

    - Sometimes, spray a bit of natural orange oil air freshener in my bedroom a little bit before I go to sleep (10-15 minutes). I do NOT spray it while the machine is on because I am thinking any oils - even atomized orange oil - can't be good for the machine and might contribute to things gunking up over time. The natural air freshener lingers just enough so that my initial experience with the mask going has a pleasant scent associated with it.

    - For some, cold air makes sinuses feel a bit clogged up - Darla and I called it the "camping effect" because I remember feeling a bit stuffy sleeping outside in cool mountain air. Anyway - keeping the room and a more comfortable temperature really helps with easier breathing - at least for me.

    - I bought some of that non-medication, pure saline spray (Ocean Brand) for when my nose gets really dry - this happens with me often because my medical cannabis use dries up my mucous membranes. That ocean spray is just saline but it does wonders to help free up my nose. I just spray some, and then a short bit later I gently blow my nose. I also keep that nearby when I sleep.

    - I am combination mouth and nose breather so I bought a full face mask - it took awhile do adjust to because it made my claustrophobic streak even worse at first. But now that I am used to it, I really like that I can breathe with just my mouth when my sinuses are clogged or uncomfortably dry. But its a beast of a mask.

    - As already, music adds to the ability to be distracted away from the discomfort of the mask. There are periods where I listen to my iPod religiously while waiting for sleep to come on.


    My best advice to you is to not give up. It is completely unnatural and people who do not use the machine really cannot relate to just how uncomfortable and cumbersome it is to have to use a BiPap or CPap. It really does require a bit of lifestyle adjustment - no more casually passing out in the studio which is still a big problem for me - I will sit on the couch in the studio for a bit late at night and then I will wake up 5 hours later unrested because I did not use the mask. Now, I have to follow a ritual to get everything in order for sleep.

    Good luck, Elizabeth. And once again, welcome to the Sleep Apnea Circle.
    MC

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      Re: Can't wear the mask

      Mon, January 21, 2008 - 4:29 PM
      I wrote: "So, I am not sleeping a solid 4-6 hours uninterrupted..."
      =============
      That should have read: "So, I am [NOW] sleeping..."
      That changes things.
      MC
      • Re: Can't wear the mask

        Mon, January 21, 2008 - 7:36 PM
        Hi Elizabeth, and welcome! This is a great and supportive tribe, and you are lucky (as are we all) to have found it!

        I was extremely fortunate in my transition to my full-face mask. I couldn't really say how I "normally" slept (mouth breater or no), so I got the whole enchilada. The biggest problem I had was the stuffy nose, and it's more or less resolved to the point it's only a problem sometimes. I am a devotee of something called "White Flower Oil" which is a mixture of camphor, lavender, etc. and is a Chinese preparation. I use it under my nose (NO mucous membranes - it can be memorable) but it is great for opening up the clogged nose and sinuses. It gets warm, too, so it's particularly soothing. You can get it in an Asian market or pharmacy, or (of all things) you can get it on Amazon.com. It's way cheaper if you buy it from an Asian store, but for convenience, you can't beat Amazon.

        Can you lay down for awhile with just the mask on your face? Then try it for increasing periods until you feel comfortable? I understand the panic that can be caused, but for me it was warm air. THAT, for some reason, makes me feel very claustrophobic and panicky, so I insisted that I did NOT have a heater.

        Again, Elizabeth, welcome, and best wishes!

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